Has there ever been an SUV/Truck/Non-Car that has APPRECIATED in value?

"MegaSuper" (megasuper) 04/13/2015 at 14:16 • Filed to: None

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A lot of discussion today about car values, appreciation, etc, got me thinking: Is there an SUV/Wagon/Pickup equivalent to a Ford GT or Porsche GT3? (As in, after you adjust for inflation, it is worth more than its initial MSRP after 25+ years?)

SVT something? G-Wagen? AMG anything? Anything made by International? Speculation about the CTS-V Wagon or E63 Wagon? Range Rovers? Anything at all?

Or is it just impossible because A) These types of vehicles rarely have "true" sporting pretensions (as in, there won't be a motorsport connection like with a Ford GT or Porsche GT3)?

Or is it because they're physically large, and "big" cars usually depreciate really badly? (Think large sedans, Bentley Continentals, VW Phaeton although the badge also comes into play there.) Why is this? Is it the perception that big = more parts = more costly to fix?

HammerheadFistpunch > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:18

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How much you got?

E. Julius > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:18

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I think the Wagoneers have.

itschrome > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:19

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LM002?

505Turbeaux > E. Julius 04/13/2015 at 14:20

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nope, they are expensive, but only finely rebuilt ones are fetching close to MSRP or over these days

HammerheadFistpunch > HammerheadFistpunch 04/13/2015 at 14:21

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These (well restored) 40's go from anywhere between 20 grand up to and beyond 60 grand.

(inflation adjusted MSRP $23,000)

My citroen won't start > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:21

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Monteverdis

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:22

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The LM002 almost qualifies.

US MSRP was purportedly $134,000, and a really nice one sold a while back for ~122. Most sell for less than $100k, though.

Edit: obviously inflation isn't counted there.

f86sabre > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:22

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Sure. There are some classics out there like the original Power Wagons and classic Willies Jeeps that are worth more than new. Well done 60s and 70s era Ford and Chevy restorations bring good money as well.

505Turbeaux > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:23

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1st gen bronco. $2100 in 1966, try to find one now for close to that ($15k inflated) in good shape

E. Julius > 505Turbeaux 04/13/2015 at 14:24

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Are we only defining appreciation as cars that have gone above MSRP? I was just thinking cars whose value has increased faster than inflation after a period of depreciation (which I'm not sure applies to the Wagoneer either).

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > itschrome 04/13/2015 at 14:24

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I actually went looking for info on that. MSRP was 134k in the US, less in some other places, and a really nice one went for 122k a while back, but most or all don't meet MSRP. Definitely not after inflation. They didn't depreciate too badly, though.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 505Turbeaux 04/13/2015 at 14:25

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A lot of classic trucks are somewhat that way, but the Bronco is the best example. That Ranger package - drool.

Wacko > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:28

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a Jeep

mostly CJ's, they go for more now than what they were going for new.

MegaSuper > My citroen won't start 04/13/2015 at 14:29

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W…What? The Swiss company who did the Hai and High Speed?

Post pictures if you have them, I had no idea they made trucks of any kind@

MegaSuper > HammerheadFistpunch 04/13/2015 at 14:30

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Can you explain more? I don't know much about these. Is it a Land Cruiser? What generations are worth a lot, and why?

I've seen both LHD and RHD versions of these; would one from Japan be worth more for some reason?

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:30

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The Mustang

original unit cost ~$50k in 1945, inflated to $650k today. Can be yours for 2.7 mil

http://www.globalplanesearch.com/listing/aircra…

MegaSuper > E. Julius 04/13/2015 at 14:31

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In this context, I'll define it as having gone above MSRP; I'm curious to know if there's something out there as crazy as the Ford GT or Porsche GT3

E. Julius > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:32

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Ok, well in that case I defer to 505.

MegaSuper > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 04/13/2015 at 14:32

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I raised an eyebrow, and then I laughed! Good job. I see what you did! I guess I really opened up the floodgates by saying "Non-car." Pretty soon someone will mention that eBay listing of that old Brazilian aircraft carrier or whatever it was many years ago...

MegaSuper > HammerheadFistpunch 04/13/2015 at 14:33

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WOW! 3x MSRP?

Do we have a winner here…? Wow.

HammerheadFistpunch > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:34

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Land cruiser FJ40 (1960-1984).

The 84 is valuable because it gets the 5 speed and 2F engine.

Anything newer than 76 with disc brakes is a good buy.

I don't think it makes a huge difference RHD vs LHD since all the stuff you would want from JDM was available here or in Canada. The trick is getting one without rust, with relatively low miles or fully restored. Even rusty heaps can fetch a couple of grand.

crowmolly > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:34

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https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/AR0…

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:36

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Hey at least this one shares the same name as a car. But I would avoid it, I've heard their ride quality is rubbish.

505Turbeaux > E. Julius 04/13/2015 at 14:36

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the did depreciate quite a bit, but they were hugely expensive for the time they were produced. 29,000 was the price in 1991 for a base model, which inflates to around 50K now. Now only the absolute finest examples with tons of resto work on an otherwise super low mileage shell go for that if people are paying Wagonmaster full nut on every copy he puts out

roflcopter > 505Turbeaux 04/13/2015 at 14:36

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There's a shop up the road from where I work that specializes in full Bronco restorations, I stopped in one day and asked about prices, I figured in the 15-25k range for one of theirs.

Turns out most of theirs sell for 40+.

MegaSuper > crowmolly 04/13/2015 at 14:36

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Wow, any ideas on how much it should sell for?

HammerheadFistpunch > f86sabre 04/13/2015 at 14:36

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yeah, a 60 era ford or 70's chevy will fetch a helleva price these days.

crowmolly > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:38

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I think one like it (or maybe even THIS one) went for $98,000 a little bit ago.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:41

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Dodge Power Wagons, nicely restored examples from the 40s and 50s can fetch well more than what they were originally bought for.

71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 14:45

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23 Window VW Bus. They're going for over 200K now

http://jalopnik.com/5815611/this-i…

RallyWrench > 71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors 04/13/2015 at 15:33

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Came here to post this, couldn't believe no one had yet. Well done.

My citroen won't start > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 15:49

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The Monteverdi Safari

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 16:51

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I'm sure something like the Dodge Lil Red Express has gone up but I'm not sure.

MegaSuper > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey 04/13/2015 at 16:56

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What exactly is the Lil Red Express? Is that a trim level of a D Series, a separate model, a high-performance variant? What years was it available?

71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors > RallyWrench 04/13/2015 at 18:40

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Posts like this make me realize how weird we as car people are. Causally comparing the values of random special edition 50-year-old unicorns off the top of our heads. Who the hell knows this stuff? Why was this answer obvious to us? What does this say to us about us as people? Regardless, it's nice to have a community like OPPO where we can all be weird together

RallyWrench > 71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors 04/13/2015 at 19:36

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Hear, hear. Weirdo. ;)

misfitmascots > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 20:12

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Chevy c10

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 20:51

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Yes actually, you're pretty right on those counts. It was a high performance variant of a D-series Adventurer Pickup. It was only available for 78 and 79. They came with a high output version of the 360 CID, which basically only had a new intake and cam. The truck itself was a stepside with special dual exhaust stacks, a graphics package, wood trim on the bed, etc. They only made about 7000 of them altogether.

MegaSuper > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey 04/13/2015 at 21:03

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Oh my goodness, those exhausts are stock? Wow. They don't make em like they used to, haha. That's amazing. I bet modern-day emissions regs would faint at the sight of that.

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 21:13

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Oh yeah, they're stock. And even though catalytic converters were required by then, the trucks didn't come with them. There was a loophole they used that allowed a modified version of a previously certified engine to not need to be recertified. And since the purpose of this truck was noise and badassery, the cats were pitched. All for the better. In 78 they were the fastest American Produced vehicle to reach 100 MPH.

MegaSuper > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey 04/13/2015 at 21:18

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Wow. You've made me a believer.

So if you saw one listed in a classic car sales mag or something, what is it actually called? "Dodge D Series w/Lil Red Express" or "Dodge Lil Red Express" or "Dodge Adventurer Lil Red Express" or something else?

Are we talking like $60,000…$100,000? More?

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > MegaSuper 04/13/2015 at 21:28

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Usually they just go by Dodge Lil Red Express.

I'm looking at one right at this moment on Hemmings for $29k, in excellent condition after a full restoration. Buying a brand new one in 1978 would set you back about $7500, but they were most likely sold way over that more often than not, similar to how the Hellcat is today. Adjusted for inflation, that price is about $27k. So honestly if anything, a nice one has actually held it's value. But, at the same time, there only were 7,000 of these trucks. So they are fairly rare.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 04/13/2015 at 22:29

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Ironically your picture appears to be a 3/4 scale copy of the real thing. I forget who makes/made them, but there was a company who at least planned on making kits and possibly planes for sale.